I have a friend who often makes himself go to social outings, because hes noticed the pattern within himself that he usually feels like bailing and not going when an event is about to happen, but if he makes himself go, he usually has a good time and is glad that he did. Discussing how the medications and counseling actually work in the context of the disease helped him understand that I was doing what I needed to do and gave him some appropriate ways to offer assistance. And I bet if you looked at that guys life youd find plenty of ways in which he prioritizes his own comfort over a nebulous idea of personal growth, because he sees himself as Just Fine already. The first few times you resist his help, I think he is going to release the Logick Kraken, who will logically and patiently recount all of the ways that you could be better if you only tried harder. ! and but Ive been running for 40 minutes 3-5 times a week for months and I dont feel *any* better (in fact, in many ways I feel *worse*), what is WRONG with me? . That's key: the minute there's no effort from both partners, then there's no relationship. He may have felt too responsible for you, or that he was committed to always look after your needs. Take care of yourself. Id probably be a lot less functional had he pushed me. 10 He Doesn't Ask You Questions. He is mad at you for not being good enough he wants you to feel like you have to earn his affection. Have you read about the accountant who had a brain tumor? Those ultra-logical people can sure be jerks, but theyre not the only ones. He felt justified in hurting my feelings as long as it was based in reason.. Something stuck out to me in your letter, you said your boyfriend thinks that if you do your healthy self improvement things then he wont have to deal with you having depression. Too many arguments lead up to less making an effort. Second, I think that anything you can do to reach out to people who are Not Your Boyfriend is going to help. The Teaser Trailer For Daisy Jones & The Six Just DroppedHeres Everything We Know So Far, Signs You Lack Self-Love (And How To Develop It), The Best Relationship Advice No One Ever Told You, 6 Things To Stop Doing If You Want To Find Love. Alas, LWs BF appears to be one of them. Good luck on your journey, LW! I dont think relationships where somebody tries to mold you into their vision of you are a good thing. Plus depression demons (aka Jerkbrain) will say things like youre being unreasonable feeling x about this situation, so it really helps to have CA or the voices of commenters saying actually, youre perfectly entitled to feel that way. Walking is much better for me, sure it isnt strenuous (seriously, WTF????) Until he tells you what the problem is, just let it be. They are not your child who needs to be emotionally spanked. Tell you at the end of the day that I noticed you ate the chips? Thats one form of love, I think: trusting the other person enough to let go and let them figure it out on their own. It sounds terrible. Even if improvement is made, it wont be enough to him, and he can still be in charge. He is avoiding it. You wrote: Im in therapy to recover and get to a place where I think that Im good enough & love and trust myself again (after years growing up having that constantly undermined) . Seconded! After that I dated someone briefly who dismissed everything thing I pointed to as evidence of our vast incompatibility with the shibboleth that relationships take work! Yes, they do take tending and attention, but working on our relationship isnt going to fix things like your habit of borrowing money from me and never paying it back or getting angry when I need time alone. She will ask me to do things like remove sharp objects from her living space, check in to make sure shes eating, wake her up in the morning when shes unlikely to get up on her own, phone her psychiatrist to give info/updates about how shes doing, and so on. I told my dude that when I dont eat I get crankier and that I need to eat and i specifically told him that if I try to get out of eating he should provide me with food. This helped my husband and I when I was diagnosed with Anxiety Disorder. Bottom line is the conversation . Some guys bitch about paying for dates because of feminism (or whatever). You have to like them for what they are (plus a +/- 2(?) Even if he were good at this coaching thing (spoiler: hes not), he shouldnt be your coach. Emotion or relationship conversations have to start with establishing a logical framework of the situation that makes sense to him; if hes confused, he clams up in great distress. When I look back, I wonder, why did I ever even get in his car without making him tell me a destination? If so, should I remind you in the morning? There are way to many variables and we dont have all the information and the rules arent always consistent so we cant treat every situation like a puzzle with a clear solution. Changing roles is hard even for people with the best hearts and intentions and experiencing some friction around that isnt really a surprise, so if you have trust and like and respect, you *might* look past and/or forgive the Logick Kraken the first time or two it comes out to play. He is really good with computers and accounting. Sometimes I hope that these people (whose letters and calls make me very sad for them sometimes) read the message they just sent, or listen to the sound of their own voice, and realize before the response even comes that its time to DTMFA. This is why I only see him in person on a time limited basis and call him on the phone and have been known to hang up on him when he does this kind of policing. You really loved him for the way he was always kissing you on your face, holding your hand when crossing a busy street, or shopping in a supermarket. If you suggest doing something with him or if he is the one to bring it up, he will always say maybe. I dont think it really matters whether LWs boyfriend is doing this to try to make her non-depressed, thin or both; hes behaving in a way thats controlling and unhelpful, whatever his reasons. Then, repeat what you want him to do and make the boundary plain: I hear you, but I want to be clear: I dont want you to do that anymore., Please stop correcting me and advising me., I appreciate all the help and support youve given me, but I actually need to navigate this on my own., I dont like it when you tell me what to do., The Silent Treatment is really not cool., Youre not the boss of how I eat or exercise, and I think its going to be healthier going forward if you stop monitoring that stuff and if I stop reporting it to you as if you are my nutritionist or trainer.*, I dont need you to change me or to be right about this, I just need you to love me and trust me to do the right thing for myself., I realize I was in bad shape for a while, but as I try to get better, Id like it if you would stop monitoring all these things about me and just found a way to enjoy my company., You may be right about that, but Id still like to handle this on my own without your input., I know you want to help, but I would like to set a boundary around advice-giving. Maybe he thinks he wants you better, so acts in ways that can be seen as toward that goal, but is afraid of you being better, because then he would have no grounds to act superior to you. The LWs hard-won self esteem and motivation are ground down to their previous, pre-therapy levels I have to consciously remind myself sometimes that feelings are allowed because I would like life better if I could reason them away, or at the very least put them in a box labeled This feeling serves X purpose. But this very desire means I know how nonsensical my own brain can be when it comes to why I feel what I feel, so I cant fathom trying to turn that analysis onto someone else as if I know how to solve someone elses feelingsbraincomplex. I said I agreed, and we broke things off by mutual agreement. This means that if you purchase a product through the link, we get a small commission at no cost to you. When he complains that youre not cleaning, is it because youve actually made a mess? Do you want to be with someone who never likes you for you? (Ice cream, breakfast for dinner, weird thing you like that he doesnt like. No one wants to treat someone they love that way, it just slips out when you stop viewing them in that light. He used to love visiting your family, friends and all the places you like going to. When I started to develop some self-confidence! Cosigned. A few weeks ago I started to notice that, well, he kind of smelled bad. Even after I told him I wasnt interested in doing that, hed bring it up ad naseum. My partner and I love the ideas of self improvement, but as with most folks, we often talk more about it than do it. . This isnt sustainable. is toxic and controlling, and this: Ive asked him to stop trying to get me to change, that you cant change other people, but he refuses to accept that, to the point that he says its the stupidest thing hes ever heard., It makes me feel like nothing I do will ever be good enough, that he will always focus on what Im not doing instead of what I am trying to do. How much cleaning does HE do? Hell yeah! Terrified. He graciously said that hed wait for me to get better, which somehow included losing weight, even though I never said anything about that, but continued to be, well, him, which was a self centered twit who wanted a wife, and not actually *me*. Im so much happier now and I experience so much less strain in my inner life with striving to justify every little feeling and decision. Make sure your tone of voice and body language are completely neutral, because if they arent, what you say wont come across as simply wanting information but instead will seem like an attack on his character which could lead you nowhere at all. Or because he has decided you arent feeling magically better enough yet? I mean, its not like the fucking JerkBrain wasnt already screaming at me about what a pathetic, useless fuckup I was, so having a physical JerkBrain Enforcement Squad really helped me!!!! Value to him also includes your offering of feminine energy and responsiveness, your surrender to connection moment by moment (which helps deepen your connection and renew his deep attachment to you). 3. How does this affect you? It makes me feel bad when you dont eat your vegetables because I caaaaaaaaaaare about you.. Why dont we call it quits, then, and see if somebody else might not make you happier?. Weve never reached a good resolution about this, and it keeps coming up. (sadly I live in the UK and our sun is not plentiful enough!). Thanks for this post, Captain and LW. My Jerkbrain doesnt do encouraging, whereas it is full of advice for how I can do better, much of it pretty rude. You know your boyfriend and your own situation better than we do, so I trust you to figure out who and what you are dealing with and take steps to care for yourself. Do you believe and trust that the struggling person is doing the best they can within their limitations, and treat them as the expert on their own life? Tell him the reasons why so he can understand. Heres my own take-away from my therapist: Your thoughts and your feelings are valid and welcome! Took about two years for me to believe that sentence. I hope your boyfriend comes around, but I offer you my best wishes and confidence in your judgment no matter whether he does or not. LW, if he is not listening to your stated boundaries, its not because you are not being clear/logical/reasonable enough so he can understand. He was scared, I was exhausted and largely unresponsive, and neither of us knew what was going on or what to do. If the title is in your name the vehicle belongs to you and if he refuses to return it and has it you may want to call the police and report it stolen. Forgive me, but I get the feeling from your letter that its the latter. "Boyfriend when i first met him was sweet and full of potential. When I said, I would find recognition for the progress I am making much more helpful than notes on what I could do better, he initially balked. You might ask the following questions: Why did . So even if what LW does affected her bf a lot (and it doesnt), the two of them putting themselves in the position of BF polices LW is bad for both of them. Yeah. Your boyfriend has not yet learned this truth, because he is hiding it. I need you to scrub the toilet is reasonable you need to do more vigorous exercise isnt. The Logick Kraken might make a lot of sense to you, at first. One of the most aggravating things for me is that I dont naturally have positive regard for my body outside of what it can do I think I so completely absorbed the idea that I was physically unattractive as a young person that some kind of athleticism seemed like the only remaining possibility for my body to have any kind of worth. I generally figure that a persons issues are their own, and what they choose to do (or not) about them is their own decision. Exercise doesnt have to hurt to be effective. Im in therapy to recover and get to a place where I think that Im good enough & love and trust myself again (after years growing up having that constantly undermined), and therapy has been going very well. But in my mind, thats a world away from dismissing the idea of comfort altogether. What really helped was finding a partner with previous SI issues who said Do what you need to do to feel better. Anonymous: Anonymous wrote:Asexual people are asexual- they don't want sex even when the relationship is new and exciting. Or will. I love you anyway is, in practice, almost nothing like I love you. You know that he is flirting with those other girls, even if you cant see him do it. LW, Ive been in your shoes, and youre ignoring how very NOT nice the boyfriend is being with all this. He didnt like it when I asked him to not share diet advice. We spent an hour together crafting a long list of things he could do for me, with me. He wants to spiral your self-esteem back down, and then play the good boyfriend who knows whats best for poor you card. Dear LW, Its amazing the first time you realize the difference between actual happiness and just being not-completely-miserable. A big thing about this for me is the control he seems to want over your life. LW, I think the Captain has a very good point about how you should be proud of the progress youve made the fact that you know that you are a person who can help themself and that you dont need someone else to be your Life Mechanic is a pretty damn good place to be, and some people never make it there. Giving him space will also give you the opportunity to make him miss you and see how much value you add to his life. Being supportive is hard. You said you would put away the dishes, and you didnt is a specific observation. If your partner loves you, then he'll be open to working on them with you. I have to agree with this. Therefore it can never be a cure or anything more than an occasional thing. What steps can you take in order for him to feel less obliged and more willing again about making an effort with your relationship? Similarly, she may love him and think he is perfect, if he only didnt do XYZ. This is fine isnt good enough when it comes to relationships, IMO. Boyfriend wants to help, and hes looking at the logical things yes, eating right and exercising make you feel better IN THEORY but he doesnt comprehend those days when just brushing your damn hair is a massive effort. I hope Im wrong, but LW, I think your boyfriend would do the exact same thing. It Does. On a very small and lighter note, and maybe as perspective, I think that eating whatever the heck one wants when partner is out of town is The Very Best Thing You Could Ever Do. In this case, his schedule may actually not allow much free time at all right now. What did you just say to me? Your boyfriend probably can't see any reason to change his ways: he believes that taking drugs has done him no harm and he enjoys the experience. theres a bigamist in my family tree too- except he faked his own death. If he makes you feel like crap about yourself, then you will feel like no one else will want to be with you. OopsI didnt see your reply to my first post when I posted this one. Now is *not* the time for someone to run a ledger of all your supposed daily transgressions and fuck the idea of the ledger in the first place. So if your partner was reacting in line with frustration and reacting to objective, observable behaviors that contradicted therapeutic actions you had agreed to, then that could be a reasonable reaction. I dont think all relationships that arent in it for better or for worse and in sickness or in health are bad, but I do think that makes it a more casual relationship and one you shouldnt rely on. The way I look at it, there is a big difference between someone who has decided they need to push you to be your Best Self (which is often their idea of your Best Self), whether or not you want/need/that kind of help is healthy for you, and someone whose support and encouragement lets you push yourself towards being what your own idea of your Best Self is. Id say all this really depends on the details. And theyre not omnipotent (well, actually, maybe they are?! Of course you want him to make an effort to wine and dine you; his time, effort, and energy shows he cares about you. Your jerkbrain beats you up enough when you have depression. Trouble sleeping. But everything you say about this dudetells me that hes more in love with Potential You than he is with Actual, Right Here You. So, stop trying to control theirs and focus on what you can controlyour own behavior and responses. Yup. It was this one: https://captainawkward.com/2013/01/05/429-430-when-depression-is-contagious/. Brief excerpts (<250 words) may be shared with attribution & a link to the original post. Heres some signs your relationship is over in all but name and Facebook status: It may seem like a good thing if you and your man never fight, but take it from a dude I never want to be wrong. And remember you are AWESOME for taking care of yourself and making such good progress. You are strong and brave to decide that you need to draw boundaries. Nothing is good enough. Everything I do in therapy has been trying to build confidence, motivation, and self-respect from within and stop relying exclusively on it externally, and then I go home and grapple with someone telling me that I need to do these things to be better. Ive read a ton of stories from people who were pushed, and their health was badly hurt. Weve been through some really hard times and some very good and stable times. I dont know though. I dont know your boyfriend or all of the details. 2010 The Thought & Expression Company, LLC. You still get to decide whether you like him. But if he does choose to be a relationship with you, he IS obligated not to be a condescending asshole about it. Being badgered about food choices and exercise choices isnt going to help the LW build good habits. Neither he or my Dad told me about their doubts until I was well established and was making money, by which time their initial suspicions were funny stories, not immensely damaging and potentially hindering my progress. Thank you. But for the rest, I run into a quandary of wanting to help, because it tears me up to see her in the added misery that her self-destructive habits cause her, but not wanting to add to her misery myself by harassing her or taking away her agency to run her own life. What do I do? Was there a specific moment where things changed, or were they gradual just something small at first but now taking up all of his time so he doesnt have any left for you anymore? I wasnt being adventurous enoughby knowing for myself what I wanted to drink. I dont know if that makes sense? LW, heres the thing about our Jerkbrains: theyre jerks. But when you the helper decide on your own that (1) theres a problem and/or (2) you have to be the one to fix it, youre wading into dangerous waters. You can also use the online chat. What would be his next project if you suddenly started following all his rules precisely? Take a step back, and allow the other person to show you what they want. The Silent Treatment is a HUGE red flag for me. Not once, not twice, but every time you call. Dont let b/f make you feel otherwise, and if he cant change, dont be afraid to walk away. Is there a chance he will realize that the moods are part of the package, and something Im trying to work on gradually, not all at once? Like, it is AWESOME if you ate a bunch of vegetables that you wanted to eat because you thought they sounded delicious and healthy, and it is also and equally AWESOME if you.. ahem did not. The best thing I can suggest telling him is that you need him to be your cheerleader for success not an accountant tallying up your failures the only thing that does is create resentment in both of you and blind him to your actual accomplishments and kill your internal motivation to continue. I had already tried eight bazillion types of tea. Like others have mentioned, its super uncool and scary when people use logic and reason as an excuse to ignore other peoples feelings, but when they do that, they also ignore the fact that feelings are real factors that need to be taken into consideration. Get a cookbook and try new recipes out with each other. Ideas which involve me policing my SOs behavior, rather than my SO doing it for themselves those ideas both take agency from my SO, and attempt to make their behavior my responsibility. He asked why I was doing that and I said: Im afraid youll feel not depressed and Ill miss it! 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