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HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships from 1779 onwards, but in 1905 it was chosen for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich, where about 500 boy recruits were. I had already taught myself to swim. the reason i remember the date is that it was my 15th birthday, We got shipped out to Suez in October 1956 cutting short our training by a couple of months. As a matter of interest how many of you did your 22 and beyond not many I suspect therefore you look back with nostalgia, fcuking hated the place and made certain I never treated any of my guys the same as the youngsters were treated there. Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. The HMS Ganges training base, which opened in 1905, closed in 1976 and has remained . Didn't like it, there are better ways of teaching than violence, but it hardened me up and made me self disciplined. After sewing on a tag and sporting a proud smile as I offered it up for inspection to that gorilla-of-gunner, I was sent scurrying away, ears ringing from slaps and vehement words, asking myself, 'How the hell did I mange to sew the tag on upside-down?'. interesting .. photos of the old pool. 10/01/36- 08/02/36 HMS Pembroke. In 1905 when the Ganges vessel was finally retired (and towed away to Chatham), the training facility, still named HMS Ganges, moved ashore. attempted to climb to the top of the mast, Harry and Meghan told to 'vacate' Frogmore Cottage, Explosive found in check-in luggage at US airport, Fungus case forces Jack Daniels to halt construction, Aboriginal spears taken in 1770 to return to Sydney, China and Belarus call for peace in Ukraine, Rare Jurassic-era bug found at Arkansas Walmart. Network 157.90../16 Abuse Contact API. Editors' Code of Practice. I recall watching a boy, who had been thrown in the deep end of the swimming pool, struggling in the water while a sadistic instructor smiled, saying, 'Look what happens if you can't bloody well swim?' Our abuse contact API returns data containing information belonging to the abuse contact of every IP address on the Internet. 1903. Each evening after we had cleaned the mess, we took everything out of the locker rolled each item into a nine-inch sausage, tied white tape around both ends, and then placed every item on a blanket. Mr Davis added: They have had the last conditions, including the fire hydrants agreed. "I remember another of the Ganges boys, they were talking to a visitor at the museum, and she said 'it was quite brutal, wasn't it? Crowds of boys from HMS Ganges would visit Ipswich when they were given a day off from the harsh naval discipline at Shotley. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. The only thing I can remember of that awesome night, apart from collecting a kit bag and filling it to capacity with kit, was sobbing myself to sleep and that I ate the biggest meal I'd ever eaten in my entire 15 years of life. CHARGE CHIEF PETTY OFFICER (WEA) Served from 1974 - 1997 Served in HMS Ganges. There was also a degree of sexual abuse going on at Ganges, but we boys were too scared to ever complain or report such incidents. contact IPSO here, 2001-2023. The cold water often caused some boys to duck in and out of the water quickly or sometimes not at all. Shotley Marina, Shotley Gate, Ipswich, IP9 1QJ. Every new recruit was required to climb it, not to the very top but to the half moon, about thirty-feet from the top. During Ganges's time in Cornwall allegations of harsh and brutal treatment were reported to the Admiralty.One wardroom steward shot himself over the matter, and the reports aroused indignation in the local community. Speaking about the current state of the site, Mr Jones said: "All of the messes have been demolished, as have the laundry and the generators. Maybe we boxed each other in the Shotley annexe! HMS GANGES 6th May 2009 - YouTube. Frederick "Ben" Rodgers author of "Lily & Me", "The Royal Navy & Me" and collector of Rover automobiles, Review from Newfoundland CraigChurchill. contact IPSO here, 2001-2023. joined in '63 Dreadnought in the Annexe and Duncan in main camp, Went swimming at Vincent before colling-grad got its pool, and sailing if my memory is not totally shot, I sometimes considered climbing to the top of the mast a tossing myself off. On the remainder of the command 'Bayonets' the left hand pulled the bayonet from the scabbard, placed it on the barrel of the rifle and, with a quick twist of the wrist, secured it in place. A Gannett Company. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, The Duke of Edinburgh visiting HMS Ganges in June 1973 Picture: ARCHANT. In 1907, its famous 143ft (44m)-high training . The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. It was easy to spot those who had been here the longest. As a subscriber, you are shown 80% less display advertising when reading our articles. last entry 16.30 We are also please to welcome visitors at any other time by prior appointment - please telephone 01473 788315 or 01473 788723 to arrange this. Recruits are shown how to stow a hammock - date of photograph unknown. CEM1 Served from 1972 - 1978 Served in HMS Ganges. RM B54PCM - Twiggy the baby elephant was half an hour late for her appointment to 'tow of the premises', the 47 year old Captain Derek Napper Napper, skipper of HMS Ganges the naval training school at Shotley Suffolk, and found she had been replaced by a couple of horses. (LogOut/ The HMS Ganges site was initially opened in 1904 acted as a boys training facility for the Royal Navy. It closed in 1998 or something. Discipline was severe, routine constant and fear of punishment loomed at every turn. Sadists most of them and that's from a 15 year old who was in a council care home before he joined, streetwise to fcuk and kept my head down. The noise was excruciating. A Gannett Company. The overall height is 143 feet 10 inches, with the button being 11 inches diameter and 3 inches thick. LRO (G) Served from 1975 - 1998 Served in HMS Ganges. Researched and compiled by A. S. Grimmer (Solent Division) who sadly crossed the bar 6th January 2007. First Royal Navy ship to visit Eire, post independence? . The former treasurer of a naval veterans' organisation has been jailed for 18 months after nearly 80,000 was withdrawn from its accounts. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. 2023 BBC. HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships from 1779 onwards, but in 1905 it was chosen for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich, where about 500 boy recruits were stationed. contact the editor here. Find out more about HMS Ganges at www.hmsgangesmuseum.com, or visit the museum, located at the end of King Edward VII Drive, in Shotley, IP9 1QJ. Well this seems a good time to see if this site works properly. If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to HMS Ganges being broken up after training was transferred to the land base at Shotley (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to It was hoped that Developers Haylink Ltd would start work early this year, but their plans were scuppered by the Covid-19 pandemic. After initial training we were marched from the training camp. HMS Ganges had a reputation for its harsh discipline. . 1959 and what a bugger Ganges turned out to be. It would seem those boy-sailors who were seconds ago shoving sausages into smiling faces, had all disappeared into that terrifying building, and by the cries belching from its belly were being eaten alive. He deserted on numerous occasions and willfully disobeyed orders . Statistics for the 1930s indicate some 200 official canings per year in HMS Ganges alone, an average of four per week. He was sentenced at Portsmouth Crown Court. Looking pretty in candy-striped pyjama bottoms and naked chests, we were ordered across the parade ground, through the snow and ice, to the 'heads', that grown-up potty land, which had neither doors nor partitions around the bowls for privacy, to partake in our morning ablutions, a most embarrassing experience. Justin I saw the mast fully manned three times and it was a wonderful sight to see as it was so well choreographed and I was always amazed how the button boy could even get onto the button, when there was a breeze the mast moved a few good feet at the top of it and as I said all he had to hold onto was a knee high lighting conductor. However lessons, culminating in a test, were much more difficult. There's something to be said for finding how finding out how good you are at living with other people, and finding respect for yourself. The skipper was HS McKenzie who went FOSM. I took a bowl and ate the lot. Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. ", HMS Ganges as a warship (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). John Garrett. Discussions between developers and Babergh District Council planning officers have been concluded five years after plans for the huge project were given outline planning permission in December 2015. I was out of there in an instant, but never said a word to anyone, I was just happy it was over and I had qualified. To get out of the showers we had to stand before our instructor legs apart arms raised for inspection. A historic Grade II listed former Royal Navy training mast has been taken down ahead of restoration work. Artist's impression showing the view across a residential street at the redeveloped HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. Observer career path/ real life experience. It had to be a joke! The HMS Ganges training base, which opened in 1905, closed in 1976 and has remained derelict. A Gannett Company. . Crowned on June 2, 1953, at the age of 25, Elizabeth II went on to have the longest reign for a British queen. This site uses cookies. Some boys were home sick, some just tried to stay out of trouble, one or two ran away. Every letter, every strip of tape had to be in a perfect line. An appeal by Woolverstone Parish Council was turned down two years later. I knew only when it was over would I then be able to call myself a true Ganges Boy and, some years later, a real sailor. ", The honours board from the HMS Ganges, showing the victories of all the Royal Navy ships bearing the name (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). I would like to see the mast and museum moved to the safety of HMS Raleigh though to ensure its upkeep and maintenance. Ken Smith, who now lives in Brighton, sent me memories of arriving at HMS Ganges in the severe winter of 1963 and his fear of the dreaded mast. LEADING SEAMAN Served from 1961 - 1970 Served in HMS Ganges. Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. Boys normally signed up to a contract of 12 years, which would leave most of them aged in their late 20s after their tours. Editors' Code of Practice. The Admiralty decided that the shore base should bear the name of the original training ship, HMS Ganges. 1971. Within ten minutes, a second pair of gates appeared, the gates of the real HMS Ganges. Several tales about bullying and the harsh regime generally, not so much about the famous and frequent official canings. The cinemas would be packed with rows of Ganges boys in uniform and the caf at the corner of St Stephen's Lane would sell them many cups of tea as they waited for their bus back to Shotley. It may not display this or other websites correctly. GANGES was the shore training establishment for boy entrants into the Royal Navy from 1905 until 1976. This portion was taken from the foremast of the corvette Cordelia which was paid off . The HMS Ganges site was initially opened in 1904 acted as a boys training facility for the Royal Navy. This was followed by a leap from the diving board, as high as any tree I'd ever climbed, wearing the waterlogged boiler suit and a lifejacket. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can It began snowing on Boxing Day. As Rudyard Kipping wrote in his famous poem IF the you will be a man my son. Royal Navy 238217 Ordinary Seaman HMS Niobe . Harry and Meghan told to 'vacate' Frogmore Cottage, Explosive found in check-in luggage at US airport, Fungus case forces Jack Daniels to halt construction, Rare Jurassic-era bug found at Arkansas Walmart, China and Belarus call for peace in Ukraine. Change). First time ever looking at any RN sights. But, because of the lockdown nothing has really moved and I think, even though construction workers havent leagally been told theyre not allowed to do anything, the owners are a bit reluctant to move. The lower portion of the mast is steel, extending 18 feet (5.5 m) below ground and 30 feet (9.1 m) above ground. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. "The rest of the buildings, including Nelsons Hall and the swimming pool will be converted into flats, shops and a sports centre. Padre Weekes was always good for a fag and Jim Conroy (PTI) taught me to yodel. Maybe we were unlucky with Instructors as one was Court Marshalled, discharged and sent to prison for so called abuse. and for those of you who served at ganges and who have't joined the association go on..nothing to lose and you'll find a lot of old shipmates there!! Through the year the training was intense, probably a good thing, it gave us little time to regret joining the navy. Mast erected using the foremast of HMS Cordelia, which was broken up 1904. www.amazon.co.uk/H-m-S-Ganges-Dozen/dp/0906418003/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269273975&sr=1-1, www.navy-net.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=134/postdays=0/postorder=asc/start=0.html, www.veterans-uk.info/vets_badge/vets_badge.htm. Each of us was required to construct a printing block using letters carved in wood. Babergh District councillor Ganges, Derek Davis, said: From my own personal perspective I have seen how closely our officers and our planning team have worked with the owners of the site and I can imagine that once the lockdown is over and the guys get started, progress will be made very quickly. But this was Ganges, we never got away with anything. 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Royal Navy 238217 Boy 2nd Class HMS Ganges II. "Most of what was on the site went to the naval museum in Portsmouth, but we have the honours board and figurehead from the original ship. After eating I dashed down to the boat sheds to report for my test. Name Hetzner Online GmbH - Contact Role. 'Letters back to front, remember!' Richard Dunn. "Boys came into Ganges at age 15 and went into the navy as men at 16. His fellow recruit, Phil Bridge, said it was "a sad day, because it means a lot to us", but he was looking forward to a restored mast being returned. On his 15th Birthday he was sent, with 2000 other boys, to the notorious HMS Ganges training establishment at Shotley Point where a harsh regime held sway. I shuddered to the bone, as I'm sure did other boys. Dave Walton RN retired. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. yes I was there in 92 .Essex, Nolfolk , Herts Suffolk and Cambs police all used it. Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. Doesnt sound too bad does it. Heard so much about HMS Ganges though and it sounded very good for developing 'real sailors ' but as much as I hate to admit it I suspect it would have been too much for me . This was where the roped rigging jutted out some ten feet - above it, the platform. I joined Ganges 30th June 1955 also as a boy telegraphist. The one chippy bugger who thought it good fun to make you spar with him in the wash room (Annexe) I met up with in the Far Flung and gave him more than he gave me. This page is dedicated to the memory of Tony whose commitment to the Royal Navy and especially HMS Ganges was unlimited. It would not be an exaggeration to say not one of us had the slightest idea of what lay in store for the next year. [1] Former recruit John Youngman said it would be "nice to see it restored to its former glory". 1927. HP10 9TY. David Colwill. Restoration of the historic HMS Ganges Mast is well under way at Barrelmans Point in Shotley. 1976. There was a seamanship officer at the boat sheds. Such a tragedy that this historical place has been left to rot. St George IOM Boys training 3/5/45 Christmas leave 45 took all kit and returned to Ipswich station, then by the ubiquitous 3 ton Bedford to Shotley where we reopened HMS Ganges as a boys establishment. In 1907, its famous training mast was erected on the parade ground. Yes, I got it wrong! Finally he withdrew his hand and declared I passed the test. All thanks to my Instructor CMEM LUCKENS . The facility remained there until its closure in June 1976, Ronald Carr. These were all regular happenings at Ganges. The mast was erected in 1907 for boy entrant training purposes using the lower foremast (steel) from HMS Cordelia (1881) with other sections from the mizzen mast of HMS Agincourt (1865). Thanks again, D. R. WALTON the only O.E.M. By creating an account you agree to us emailing you with newsletters and discounts, which you can switch off in your account at any time. Were you at HMS Ganges? You are using an out of date browser. One lad, a Geordie, was drafted early to a Destroyer bound for the Mediterraniann sailed from Plymouth He was washed overboard on his first few hours at sea..His parents never knew of the misery he suffered at Ganges. Jim Gitsham, chairman of the Shotley branch of the HMS Ganges Association, said: "Members will be delighted that he's going down. JavaScript is disabled. Early in 1940 Admiralty decided to close Ganges as a Boys Training Establishment and in April it became a Hostilities Only Training Establishment. I would imagine it will be a number of years before we see the final product but Ive seen first hand how quickly they can actually make progress once the builders get going. He was subsequently dismissed from the service and returned to civilian life. H.M.S. Steve Tarr. and I got seven days 9s. They looked smarter, more confident, or even downright dejected. Rather than do the two as a pongo I signed on the dotted line for a dozen , best thing I ever did and I regret not staying in for the full time . He was the officer that tested us when we endeavoured to qualify with a bosuns pipe. HMS Ganges 'He had the misfortune to be placed under the care of two particularly brutal and drunken instructors whose continual bullying and abuse proved too much for this emerging free spirit ' His early life was hard by any standards. HMS Ganges moved moorings from Harwich to Shotley. The site was closed in 1976 and was used as a maaried quarter estate by the RAF. This was the job of the button boy at HMS Ganges who had to shin up the last fifteen feet or so to climb on the button during ceremonial parades. Ganges Tales of the T.R.O.G.s Paperback - 22 Nov. 1995 by John Douglas (Author), John Wheatley (Illustrator) 6 ratings Paperback 12.00 8 Used from 8.90 H.M.S. We had just finished PT before going to supper, so I was in shorts. Below are just some of our members who have served at HMS Ganges. Free (donations towards running costs are welcome) (LogOut/ HMS Ganges as a training ship in the 1900s (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). ( Royal Naval Detention Quarters RNDQs Portsmouth), Listen to No Flowers for Geordie on SoundCloud. Review of a book of anecdotes about legendary UK boys' naval establishment HMS Ganges, which at any one time housed as many as 2,000 trainee sailors in their middle teens. From the annexe, I had sometimes seen it, partly hidden by snowy skies as it towered above the buildings, and it looked frightening then, but now, marching beneath its cobweb rigging, it looked truly awesome. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can The water was freezing cold, we never had hot water. At Gagnes they spent 12 months training, and they learned everything you need to do to run a ship. On the parade ground the order went something like On the command fix! The left hand went behind the cheek of your left buttock and twisted the bayonet and scabbard upward. contact the editor here. July 5 The old HMS Ganges sails out of Harwich Harbour. Abuse Details. Martin Foster was treasurer for veterans who served at HMS Ganges training base in Sufffolk. They looked like what we didn't, sailors. For more information, please see our Privacy Policy, Please enter a password with 6 characters or more. I was at Ganges in 1955 and went to visit Shotley in 2005 and was surprised to see police signs near the old swimming baths. So as I have said already, we kept our heads down aiming for that final day when wed be drafted to a ship. "They had a hard life, but they were fed and looked after. My DO was so unforgetable I can't remember his name, but he ponced around with his handky up his sleeve and a curled lip. Thus was the nature of Ganges harsh training regime. HMS Ganges closed on June 6. This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's HMS Ganges as a training ship in the 1900s, HMS Ganges being broken up after training was transferred to the land base at Shotley, The boys climbed the mast whenever the base received high-status visitors, and as part of their training, The sailors in training doing exercises outside the gym, The honours board from the HMS Ganges, showing the victories of all the Royal Navy ships bearing the name. Did my intro to Pusser at HMS Raleigh in ' 52 . Photos showing the rusting mast at the former site of HMS Ganges at Shotley peninsula have been released on social media, prompting concerns that the 142ft high structure is not being properly. HMS GANGES AT HIGHNAM COURT, GLOUCESTERSHIRE, 1940 - 1942. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. #42. Please Login or Register. HP10 9TY. http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/hms-ganges-swimming-pool-shotley-may-2015.t96792, Anniversary Toast - HMS RALEIGH 25th Oct 2009, Telegraph: "Captain Peter Grindal Obituary", Future Ford vehicles could repossess themselves, 10 myths told by Covid 'experts' now debunked. Peter Ohara. However, for most of us boys, qualifying meant we could wear the Bosuns chain with our uniform instead of a lanyard. 11.00 to 17.00 Saturdays, Sundays and Bank Holidays between Easter and the end of October. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich and Shotley . Some 100 boy-sailors were in the canteen, chewing and chattering; clattering knives forks and spoons against plates and bowls. The boy was made lower his trousers, but kept is underpants on, he was made to bend over a chair. The 142-foot high (43 m) mast was erected in 1907. This punishment was something I never witnessed and can only describe from what other boys told me. Ganges Museum is located at Shotley Gate near Ipswich, in what was the Enright Block, on the foreshore of the former H.M.S. contact IPSO here, 2001-2023. Report . HMS Ganges (1821) This page summarises records created by this Organisation The summary includes a brief description of the collection (s) (usually including the covering dates of the. 4 reviews When Peter Broadbent entered HMS Ganges, the toughest training establishment for young recruits to the Royal Navy, he was a naive 15-year-old Yorkshire schoolboy, entranced with the idea of seeing the world, proud of his drainpipe trousers and DA hairstyle, and eager to meet girls. 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